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Daff
03-04-2008, 07:58 PM
Well, I’ve just got back from my putter fitting at Yes! Golf with my new toy!!

Here’s the rundown of what happened

I phoned Yes! Last week to book my session, 12pm – giving me enough time to get there comfortably from Mid Wales. The receptionist was very polite and took my booking together with the deposit of £50 and explained that if there were any problems she’d phone me straight back otherwise she’d expect me at 12pm on Thursday 3rd April

We arrived at Yes! Golf HQ in Southport just before the allotted time, Scotty Cameron in hand, and met Andrew Sumner (Harold Swash’ grandson), who led us into the putter fitting room and explained that he’d be the person custom fitting me.

On initial inspection, the fitting room looked very impressive. A whole room kitted out with an artificial putting surface, electronic gizmo’s including video cameras, laptop, plasma screen and most importantly - whole racks of Yes! Putters in all shapes and sizes!!!

Andrew explained the process, what would happen, what I’d get out of the fitting and what my level of ability was and what my expectations were. We then got down to business!

First off, we measured the loft, lie and length of my current weapon of choice. As expected it was standard spec – 35” long, 71 degree lie and 3 degree of loft. I then positioned myself in front of the floor mounted video camera and behind the distance marker on the floor and proceeded to hit a number of putts, each stroke being videoed ready for immediate playback. The ball was a two tone ball, hall white and half coloured red (to show, skid, roll, etc)

This initial playback was really interesting and very enlightening! I’d always considered myself a half decent putter, if not a little streaky. The video playback showed exactly what was going on. The stats showed that on top of the 3 degree of loft, my stroke actually added an additional half a degree and my stroke had a nice strike hitting the ball 3.5 degree on the upstroke. The video showed the ball skidding forward, before getting a quarter roll at 21” from the starting point. Wow! The putt had only just started to roll nearly 2 foot after I’d hit it with a relatively good stroke which had, by the way hit it’s target!

We then had a good discussion about the perceived benefits of the C-Groove face, minimal loft of 2 degrees (Yes! Strike to get a loft of between zero and 2 degrees at impact) and what shapes, styles, etc suited me. I was then hooked up to the SAM putting analyser and my whole stroke was analysed. Face angle at address, face angle at impact, putter path, etc, etc. One of the results screen can be seen in the photo below. All very technical, but all beneficial and made really understandable by Andrew. Then started the long course of finding a putter that had the best performance with my stroke.

All the models were tried – some standard models, some brand new models (Donna?), Anser style, mallets, heel shafted, centre shafts, blades, branding irons, counter balanced, short, long, etc, etc! You name it & I tried it!!

We finally settled on a model, the centre shafted Hannah model. I was asked which length I felt most comfortable with, this was measured and we discovered that I performed best with a 34” putter, with a 2 degree flat lie angle. What grip did I want? Tri colour, black, etc? Standard thickness, midsize? In the end I chose midsize, this felt most comfortable and kept the wrists out of the stroke a touch. Within a jiffy this was immediately brought up to the room from the stores downstairs and we tested it again to make sure it all worked as it should!!

I the middle of all this fitting, Andrew found time to give me a little putting lesson. He helped with my alignment, got me to place my hands a little further forward at address and offered encouragement all the way through the process. This made it not only enjoyable, but also highly rewarding – Many thanks Andrew.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I came away with a custom fit Hannah putter. 34” long, 2 degrees flat, mid size grip and a big, broad smile!

It was a cracking day. I’d whole heartedly recommend the experience to anyone, it was all done very professionally but with a very friendly atmosphere. We even had a brief chat with the MD about various putters and pro’s, including the new kid on the block, Ollie Fisher.

Many thanks to Andrew and all the staff at Yes! Golf.:yes:

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Spookyfish
03-04-2008, 08:04 PM
Good to hear you had a enjoyable day. Yes golf are one of the best companies I've dealt with and I'm proud to have them associated with the Northern Order of Merit

sevenfourate
03-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Nice write up Daff ;)

Interesting final choice.Especially as Yes dont advertise or say (AND told me by email) that the Hanna,and im pretty sure the other centre shafted models they produce,are not bendable for lie angle ??? !!!

The Hanna has won a few awards that ive seen,and is supposed to be very,very stable and forgiving.Great choice :)

Did you see them bend it by any chance ?

cobra4
03-04-2008, 08:09 PM
cracking review daff
as a big fan of 'yes' already i may have to have a fitting as well:)

Daff
03-04-2008, 08:14 PM
Hi Syer

Well, the loft and lie machine was in the corner of the room and Andy checked everything out and handed the putter back to me saying that it had just been adjusted to the 2 degrees flat. It certainly sits better and flatter than the model I used to make the decision, so yes, I'd say that it was adjusted. I must admit that I my eye's taken by all the other candy in the room at the time :wub:, but to the best of my knowledge it was adjusted.

Cheers
Daff

sevenfourate
03-04-2008, 08:17 PM
Hi Syer

Well, the loft and lie machine was in the corner of the room and Andy checked everything out and handed the putter back to me saying that it had just been adjusted to the 2 degrees flat. It certainly sits better and flatter than the model I used to make the decision, so yes, I'd say that it was adjusted. I must admit that I my eye's taken by all the other candy in the room at the time :wub:, but to the best of my knowledge it was adjusted.

Cheers
Daff


Im not doubting your man at all.I obviously just got some duff info.Anything can be adjusted somehow if your imaginative enough and have a little knowledge..........just wondered how they did it.


Hope you enjoy the putter - i really am a little bit jealous - That youv'e been and i havn't ! Also peeved that they are so damned far from me........

Daff
03-04-2008, 08:21 PM
As I said guy's, I'd thoroughly recommed it. It was a 2.5 / 3 hour trip for me today, but I really think I got a lot more out of it than just a new putter.

Syer - you've got a pm

Colossus
03-04-2008, 08:32 PM
Im not doubting your man at all.I obviously just got some duff info.Anything can be adjusted somehow if your imaginative enough and have a little knowledge..........just wondered how they did it.


Hope you enjoy the putter - i really am a little bit jealous - That youv'e been and i havn't ! Also peeved that they are so damned far from me........

NIKE!!!!!!!!!!!:wink:

sevenfourate
03-04-2008, 08:34 PM
You got me with one of my own sayings Col.....

I should indeed "JUST FREAKIN DO IT" !!!!

Deny your not thinking about it too after that review though :p

Colossus
03-04-2008, 08:46 PM
You got me with one of my own sayings Col.....

I should indeed "JUST FREAKIN DO IT" !!!!

Deny your not thinking about it too after that review though :p

Erm............... :rolleyes::laugh:

First thought that crossed my mind was ... "I really should do that myself." :laugh:

leftie
03-04-2008, 09:41 PM
great review daff, interesting reading :)

EXMAX
03-04-2008, 11:05 PM
did they use the dynamic fitting software to guage what putter you needed?

can you post up the stats you produced too

rich1lfc
03-04-2008, 11:22 PM
great review.
i take it the £50 deposit comes off the putter at the end of the day.
sounds a good service by YES!

Nick Davis
04-04-2008, 02:13 AM
Im not doubting your man at all.I obviously just got some duff info.Anything can be adjusted somehow if your imaginative enough and have a little knowledge..........just wondered how they did it.
........

well...its the same duff info I recieved when enquiring about whether I could have my old Hannah bent for lie angle.

I quite clearly got the feedback (from someone who went on a Yes fitting sessions and enquired on my behalf) that the Hannah could not be adjusted for lie angle.

Whether it could be bent for lie as much as I needed it (4* flat from 71* std) I never even managed to ascertain....the info I recieved was quite simply that the Hannah could not be adjusted for lie.

Pity really as I'd have happily stayed with the Hannah if it could have been properly fitted to me.

Daff
04-04-2008, 08:06 AM
did they use the dynamic fitting software to guage what putter you needed?

can you post up the stats you produced too

Haven't got the stats - it's something I suggested to Andy that would be a good thing ie to come away with the info at the end of the fitting.
As far as I'm aware, the software was used to get an indication of how my stroke moved, what was happening before, during and after impact, etc. To actually fit my putter, we did a lot of trial and error and tested putter, after putter to try and achieve an optimum roll, loft at impact, etc, but also and importantly for me, something that fitted my eye.

great review.
i take it the £50 deposit comes off the putter at the end of the day.
sounds a good service by YES!

Yep, the £50 comes off your final price.

well...its the same duff info I recieved when enquiring about whether I could have my old Hannah bent for lie angle.

I quite clearly got the feedback (from someone who went on a Yes fitting sessions and enquired on my behalf) that the Hannah could not be adjusted for lie angle.

Whether it could be bent for lie as much as I needed it (4* flat from 71* std) I never even managed to ascertain....the info I recieved was quite simply that the Hannah could not be adjusted for lie.

Pity really as I'd have happily stayed with the Hannah if it could have been properly fitted to me.

I loved the Hanna as soon as I picked it up. Apparantly, I could have had the putter adjusted another degree flatter, but to do so would mess up the loft, or something (he lost me there to be honest)

At the end of the day, I got out of it more than I was expecting and have come away with a putter that not only felt better, but also provided visibly better performance.:yes::D

Nick Davis
04-04-2008, 08:45 AM
Haven't got the stats - it's something I suggested to Andy that would be a good thing ie to come away with the info at the end of the fitting.
As far as I'm aware, the software was used to get an indication of how my stroke moved, what was happening before, during and after impact, etc. To actually fit my putter, we did a lot of trial and error and tested putter, after putter to try and achieve an optimum roll, loft at impact, etc, but also and importantly for me, something that fitted my eye.



Yep, the £50 comes off your final price.



I loved the Hanna as soon as I picked it up. Apparantly, I could have had the putter adjusted another degree flatter, but to do so would mess up the loft, or something (he lost me there to be honest)

At the end of the day, I got out of it more than I was expecting and have come away with a putter that not only felt better, but also provided visibly better performance.:yes::D

mmmm....perhaps I need to make further enquiries with Yes again to clarify things.

True Blue
04-04-2008, 09:24 AM
Excellent review Daff. I must say I am more than a little tempted to go myself now!

PowerPenguin
04-04-2008, 09:37 AM
Excellent review Daff. I must say I am more than a little tempted to go myself now!

It's like 5 minutes away, you have no excuse! :yes:

Nice review Daff. :smile:

Yanner
04-04-2008, 10:09 AM
Could it be that Yes! produces putters for the no-hosel models with different lie angles rather than bending them? Or for a couple of degree's it could be in the manufacturing tolerances so it would be a case of hand-picking one at the correct angle?

Plenty of possibilities that you don't have duff information.

JAT.

sevenfourate
04-04-2008, 10:16 AM
Could it be that Yes! produces putters for the no-hosel models with different lie angles rather than bending them? Or for a couple of degree's it could be in the manufacturing tolerances so it would be a case of hand-picking one at the correct angle?

JAT.

Agree 100%.

But its not the fact they are bendable,or come in different lie options thats in question - its the fact a few of us have been told they CANT be adjusted or only come in standard lie angles......when clearly this isnt the case.

Ive been told verbally and by email.It also says on www.yesgolf.co.uk against each putter if it is bendable ref lie angle or not.None of the centre shafted appear to be from the website info either.Which just means everything they advertise goes against what they can actually do.

There is no doubt the info they have given out is duff !

Danielsawbridge
04-04-2008, 12:29 PM
When i went to have my Callie Fitted they said it was to do with the type of balance of the putter that depended if the putters lie angle can be altered. The callie style models could be easily altered for lie by the centre shafted models they wouldn't alter as it would affect the putter to much.

rangemonkey
07-04-2008, 07:47 PM
Where was this?

PowerPenguin
07-04-2008, 07:58 PM
Where was this?

The Yes putting studio in Southport, I think. Daff will correct me if I'm mistaken!

http://www.yesgolf.co.uk/news_49.htm

Dave

Daff
07-04-2008, 08:32 PM
Yep, in Southport

leftie
07-04-2008, 08:39 PM
Yep, in Southport

how much was the putter you got daff?

Daff
07-04-2008, 08:41 PM
how much was the putter you got daff?

It was £127. £50 deposit for the fitting, etc and an extra £77 on the day

leftie
07-04-2008, 08:58 PM
It was £127. £50 deposit for the fitting, etc and an extra £77 on the day

thanks for that. :)

Yanner
11-04-2008, 04:24 PM
Agree 100%.

But its not the fact they are bendable,or come in different lie options thats in question - its the fact a few of us have been told they CANT be adjusted or only come in standard lie angles......when clearly this isnt the case.

Ive been told verbally and by email.It also says on www.yesgolf.co.uk (http://www.yesgolf.co.uk) against each putter if it is bendable ref lie angle or not.None of the centre shafted appear to be from the website info either.Which just means everything they advertise goes against what they can actually do.

There is no doubt the info they have given out is duff !

And the manufacturers all so say that you play EXACTLY the same equipment as the Pro's play.... do you believe that? ;)