General Play

[3puttwizard]

I played in the competition on Saturday(appalling again) and my partner accidentally moved his ball when addressing it. He called it and took the 1 shot penalty.
However he didn't move the ball back to its original position. So in theory he should have taken another penalty?


He signed his card etc and handed it in. He beat me on points so I handed over a sleeve of balls.


Should he disqualify himself (NR) and hand me the balls back? :confusedw::laugh:

[Fieldsy]

I played in the competition on Saturday(appalling again) and my partner accidentally moved his ball when addressing it. He called it and took the 1 shot penalty.
However he didn't move the ball back to its original position. So in theory he should have taken another penalty?


He signed his card etc and handed it in. He beat me on points so I handed over a sleeve of balls.


Should he disqualify himself (NR) and hand me the balls back? :confusedw::laugh:

Did you sign his card ?

[3puttwizard]

Yes.

and you know who we are talking about.... :eekw::laugh:

Although I took his word for it

[Tin Pot]

:confused:

But I did replace the ball, and I told you?

[Fieldsy]

Do you want my answer based on the rules? Or on favouritism ?:rolleyes:

[3puttwizard]

Oh I thought you didn't then realised today....and then felt guilty...


Oh well....just give me the balls back anyway..:laugh:

[3puttwizard]

Looks like I've got TPinitis and didnt read his PM properly...

I hereby rescind my previous comment on being DQ'd etc

[Tin Pot]

Don't worry, you'll win a sleeve on Wednesday :rolleyes: :cry:

[3puttwizard]

I feckin hope so costing me 20 quid a month playing you at the moment.

I might aswell set up a frickin Standing Order.


Message to Camberley/Hankley Common Ball Finders

"Xmas is coming early this year - on Monday 3rd + Wed 5th September" :rolleyes:

[Foxholer]

As a matter of interest,

If you see a breach of rules by fellow competitor (presumably what you meant by 'partner') - and knew that it was a breach - then you are both DQ-ed as that is an implicit breach of Rule 1-3 (Agreement to Waive Rules of Golf).

If you didn't know it was a breach at the time, then only f/c is DQ-ed - the one case where 'ignore of the law' is an excuse.

Ross

[3puttwizard]

Foxholer,

Well I got it wrong and he was right.


So are you saying that in a competition someone penalises themselves incorrectly(should be more shots eg) and I agree to it(without knowing the rule properly) - I would be DQ'd aswell?


Also what would happen if you both didn't agree what the rule was?


Or can you wait till you get in the clubhouse to ask someone before you sign the card?

[Fieldsy]

Foxholer,

Well I got it wrong and he was right.


So are you saying that in a competition someone penalises themselves incorrectly(should be more shots eg) and I agree to it(without knowing the rule properly) - I would be DQ'd aswell?


Also what would happen if you both didn't agree what the rule was?


Or can you wait till you get in the clubhouse to ask someone before you sign the card?

Definitely the last option......has been done on many occasion at our club :)

[Tin Pot]

I know you asked foxholer, but here's my understanding:


So are you saying that in a competition someone penalises themselves incorrectly(should be more shots eg) and I agree to it(without knowing the rule properly) - I would be DQ'd aswell?

No. The rule FH is referring to is where we both agree to ignore an infringement.

Also what would happen if you both didn't agree what the rule was?

The player can, or should, play two balls for the hole. One under his interpretation, and one under the other interpretation. Get a ruling afterwards from the committee.

Or can you wait till you get in the clubhouse to ask someone before you sign the card?

Yes, get a ruling at the end of the round.



Funnily enough though, if the player decides to request a ruling from the committee - he has to follow it through. If he changes his mind later after the round, its a DQ in strokeplay and loss of match in matchplay!

[3puttwizard]

The player can, or should, play two balls for the hole. One under his interpretation, and one under the other interpretation. Get a ruling afterwards from the committee.


And if you were both wrong? DQ automatically.?

[Tin Pot]

And if you were both wrong? DQ automatically.?

Err, no idea!

[Gogs Guy]

And if you were both wrong? DQ automatically.?

Yes so just send the bals to me.

[Foxholer]

I know you asked foxholer, but here's my understanding:



No. The rule FH is referring to is where we both agree to ignore an infringement.



The player can, or should, play two balls for the hole. One under his interpretation, and one under the other interpretation. Get a ruling afterwards from the committee.



Yes, get a ruling at the end of the round.



Funnily enough though, if the player decides to request a ruling from the committee - he has to follow it through. If he changes his mind later after the round, its a DQ in strokeplay and loss of match in matchplay!

Agree with everything above except 'loss of match in matchplay'. Maximum 'loss' would be of the hole it happened on - and I think once a match is 'settled', then that's it.

In the case of 'both wrong', it is likely that the Committee will be required to decide which rule is applicable. This could well involve an additional penalty for 'Playing a ball from the wrong place'. There a Decisions that relate to this sort of thing here - http://www.randa.org/flash/decisions/decisions.html - Rule 34 - Decisions. 34-3/6 is the one that applies (most).

Ross

[Tin Pot]

Agree with everything above except 'loss of match in matchplay'. Maximum 'loss' would be of the hole it happened on - and I think once a match is 'settled', then that's it.


The point being is that if one side has called for a ruling the match is not settled until they get the ruling.

If they don't get the ruling...

[Foxholer]

The point being is that if one side has called for a ruling the match is not settled until they get the ruling.

If they don't get the ruling...

I think I see what you mean.

That would only be the case if the result could be affected - including to all square; extra holes, so yes; if player changes his mind about obtaining a ruling, the opponent's view would be accepted - so (probably) win for him.


Probably not a (literal) disqualification, but likely the same effect.

And for the 'both wrong' case; quoting the 'Decisions' - In match play, an incorrect ruling may not be reversed or corrected after either side makes a stroke or a concession in circumstances where this would not have been done but for the incorrect ruling. So if a 2nd ball is played but was (also) played incorrectly (eg if ruling was about amount of relief and more relief was given/taken than should have been) then that is irreversible.

Ross